• ratface replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    It’s not worthless at all to that individual, it’s the most valuable evidence there is.

    @don Let us be clear – I am not saying their experience is worthless (pain got better) but that their interpretation of that experience is worthless (pain got better because acupuncture).

    Any interpretation of an n=1 uncontrolled experiment such as this has…[Read more]

  • don replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    @ratface It’s not worthless at all to that individual, it’s the most valuable evidence there is.

  • ratface replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    @luke The problem is that you don’t know that it worked. You could more accurately say “I had it and then my symptoms improved”. The link is not proved.

    To try and prove it, carefully controlled trials with many people are required. It’s never nice to tell an individual that their perspective on their personal experience is worthless, but tha…[Read more]

  • Luke replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    It worked for me, and that’s the limit of my knowledge.

  • scarymary replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    40 years ago my dad had acupuncture for persistent and painful dermatitis, after the usual treatments (available at the time) failed. After 1 treatment there was improvement, but the dermatitis returned. He liked the improvement so much he went ahead with a second lot, since when he had no recurrence. Placebo? maybe, anecdotal evidence? yes,…[Read more]

  • em replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    There is science to show it can and does work.

    @mel not for very much, but there is evidence to show some effect for pain management.

    If you know of other stuff, please provide credible references.

    My wife is a physio and qualified to do acupuncture, by the way!

    Unfortunately the NHS provides a number of treatments which are no better than…[Read more]

  • berty replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    I work in medicine, and my understanding is that there’s more evidence coming out that shows it doesn’t work for the very limited conditions that evidence shows it does work for currently (basically lower back pain and some short term pain relief).

  • mel replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    There is science to show it can and does work.

  • kal replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    Yes.

    My shoulder injury became more painful afterwards.

    That will just have been coincidence, as will most success stories you hear.

    It’s pretty well studied, and isn’t better than other placebos, with the possible exception of offering some mild benefits for certain types of pain management.

    Just get a massage instead, it’ll do you the same…[Read more]

  • oldguy replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    One of my daughters is a physio who has been trained to do acupuncture, and has taught me to do it for my osteoarthritis in my big toes. Does seem to help for a short time. She uses it mainly for back pain in conjunction with other work. Some research from 2017…[Read more]

  • erick replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    Had some experience with this when suffering from sciatica – needles inserted into the muscles of my back and wired up to the mains via some sort of transformer whilst whiny violin music was playing in the background. It was bearably painful but did sod all to sort out my sciatica which I understand is caused by herniated discs putting pressure o…[Read more]

  • robert replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    Whilst undergoing physio for a thumb problem the physio asked if he could try acupuncture, being open to new things I said yes (paid for the session anyway). He put needles in my hand around the area then did some in the other hand to “balance the flows”

    After my thumb felt great, no pain at all. For about 30 minutes then it was back to being…[Read more]

  • A few years ago one of the biggest health insurers in Germany ran a study demonstrating its efficacy for a couple of conditions including chronic back pain and tension headaches, but e.g. not for migraine.

    The interesting bit is that they used two control groups: One untreated, and one where the needles were placed at random places unrelated to…[Read more]

  • sam replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    Yes, I had a knot in my shoulder which was very resistant to being sports massaged out so acupuncture was suggested. A couple of needles shoved in and around the knot and it released.

  • Peter replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    Stick a needle into the middle of a knotted muscle to help the knot relax – very real.

    @SAFFY or result in bent needles, minor bruising and no improvement in the knot. Deep tissue massage was far more effective for my shoulder.

    I know others who swear acupuncture helped, but I wouldn’t try it again.

  • SAFFY replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    It’s placebo plus a small infection risk in exchange for your money. What is feeling like you’re doing something worth to you?

    @ben depends what it’s for.

    Stick a needle in your hand to help a headache. – probably (almost definitely) placebo.

    Stick a needle into the middle of a knotted muscle to help the knot relax – very real.

  • ben replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    It’s placebo plus a small infection risk in exchange for your money. What is feeling like you’re doing something worth to you?

  • joe replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    Just had some this morning. Depending on the injury and the person doing the acupuncture, it can be very effective at aiding recovery.

    A few years ago I had some back and neck problems. The physio did what he had to do and then he suggested a bit of acupuncture. At the time I was very sceptical and thought it was all mumbo jumbo, but I had…[Read more]

  • jumpingjack replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    Yes, it helped me recover from a slipped disc/ sciatica. Applied by sports physios. Would definitely try again if needed.

  • ratface replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 1 week, 4 days ago

    Yes, tried it. Didnt work.

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