Dave perry

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  • Dave perry replied to the topic BT Broadband Scam? in the forum General Chat 1 month ago

    My home’s BT broadband has about the same speed as old 56k dial up.

  • Interesting, but not as much fun as being outraged.

  • Just reading this https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/09/dementia-sell-home-britain-health-lottery

    and this jumped out

    “He hinted that younger people might take out social insurance for their care needs in old age, as part of an “equitable” approach to funding.”

    So what was all the National Insurance I have paid all about then?

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    That seems weak to me. I know that the media are very keen to highlight dishonesty by politicians (a good thing on balance). But there doesn’t seem to be anything overtly contradictory in those statements:

    1. “A fall in police numbers is likely to have contributed to a rise in serious violent crime…”

    2. “serious violence was a ‘complex…[Read more]

  • Old school for chip pans was a wet tea towel thrown over it.

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 2 weeks ago

    Something here

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/29/women-in-20s-earn-more-men-same-age-study-finds

    In the Guardian, to be fair. Seems to be condradicted by the ONS link higher

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    ‘Personally I agree with their UK citizenship being removed ‘

    I totally don’t. Citizenship is not the gift of government, the can’t bestow it or withdraw at will. If you are a UK citizen that’s it.

    And as for these scumbags; great. They are UK citizens, so subject them to UK law, which will result in them being locked up forever. Nor martyred;…[Read more]

    • Depends on the nature of their citizenship. Citizenship can be bestowed; naturalisation, etc.

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    I’m aware of the persecution of Jews throughout history, admittedly I wasn’t aware of all the items in your list, but again I’m not sure I need to be.

    If you against racism in general then you really don’t need any historical background, indeed it could be said to people without the history, “well there’s no history of abuse, so why are you complaining?”

    • But the centuries-old conspiracy theories woven into anti-Semitism are what makes it more insidious than bog-standard racism. Racism against blacks or Asians tends towards what they *are* (savages, 3/5 of a human, smelly, whatever horrid minimisations people can come up with), whereas hatred against Jews is motivated significantly by anti-Semites’…[Read more]

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    That’s a good point. but it can also work the other way around, the word gay has now changed from being an insult to just a word now, so things can change. If everyone took offence to being called gay it would once again become an insult.

    But I think you have hit on something valid there, from my son’s (half cast) point of view, it’s the casual…[Read more]

    • I’d argue that in liberal western countries it’s not that the word gay has changed from being an insult so much as the fact that being gay is no longer seen as odd or shameful (However, that doesn’t make western society right).

      The example you gave of jokingly asking the Jew to look after the money is hideously offensive because the Nazis used…[Read more]

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    Sorry to labour the point, but what might be obvious to you isn’t to everyone, and I was trying to gauge someone else’s opinion, not what I thought they might think.

    Supposing something is obvious, doesn’t help someone who doesn’t know, does it?

    Quite often the obvious thing is what’s missing.

    Without knowing other people boundaries it’s…[Read more]

    • Well read up on the history of Germany before 1939 and how Hitler used such issues as portraying the Jews as bankers etc . Then figure out why it is so offensive.

      It is not difficult… in actual fact its so easy to find out and figure it out.

      Your a clever person…I am still amazed you are even asking about boundaries.

      Visit some…[Read more]

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    I’d say it has to do with intent, at least for some instances. But in same vein, some people want to be offended, then obviously there’s the deliberate intention to abuse.

    One of my difficulties, is offence always anti-Semitic? Or is there still a place to be offend and not claim anti-Semitism.

    And of course your correct in the general usage of…[Read more]

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    What if it was a friend of his who said it?

    What if he’d said it?

    Is Judaism as race?

    • Judaism is (arguably) both a religion and a race but don’t worry about it.

      I think if there had never been any Jewish converts then the race bit would be pretty solid. But conversions have muddied the waters.

      For instance, because I’m not a Cohen, I don’t know how much (if any) of my long term ancestry goes back to Abraham and how much to…[Read more]

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    I didn’t say it wasn’t offensive, I wanted to know if it was anti-Semitic.

    Assuming it might be, I don’t really know hence the question, what if the MP had said it himself?

    Is it offensive then? If it was anti-Semitic when someone else says it, is it still anti-Semitic when a Jew says it.

    Like I said, I have many example of my Jewish friends…[Read more]

    • I think the big issue with this sort of stuff is when it feeds into a culture that does real harm, or reinforces the idea that such a culture exists and is acceptable. So with the Hartlepool example I’d probably consider it to be harmless piss-taking among mates in Middlesborough, but totally unacceptable from, say, a posh tutor to a student at…[Read more]

      • I’d say it has to do with intent, at least for some instances. But in same vein, some people want to be offended, then obviously there’s the deliberate intention to abuse.

        One of my difficulties, is offence always anti-Semitic? Or is there still a place to be offend and not claim anti-Semitism.

        And of course your correct in the general usage of…[Read more]

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    from the Jewish Voice UK

    “Today we’ve seen something new & very nasty. Non-Jewish people (mostly Tories) telling Jewish people (who support Corbyn) that they’re Anti-Semitic. In other words Non-Jews condemning Jews as Anti-Semites. What a horrible state Britain is in 2018”

    It was in relation to the protest and Ian Paisley MP, amongst others,…[Read more]

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 3 weeks ago

    No the Hartlepool on has been around all my life, and was reportedly from the Napoleonic wars.

    So is time an issue in determining, degree of offence (couldn’t think how better to phrase this).

    And while I agree, it’s prejudice (probably *), is all Jewish prejudice anti-Semitism?

    * I can see where this might still be prejudice but not…[Read more]

    • Was it not Hartlepool that elected a monkey? Didn’t know about the history. Maybe more similar then but I still think the Jewish thing is a “bigger” prejudice and has lead to serious results (I understand Hartlepool is dump but I don’t think that’s to do with monkeys).

      • They elected the football club mascot as mayor. The mascot is a man in a monkey suit called “Hangus”. This is because during the Napoleonic Wars a live monkey was washed on the shores of Hartlepool, captured then tried and hung as a French spy.

  • I thought I’d ask what people think about anti-Semitism and where the boundaries are to them.

    Sorry if I offend anyone, this isn’t intentional, but if we don’t discus things we don’t learn.

    There seems to be a confusion over what is and what isn’t anti-Semitism even among those who are telling us what’s acceptable and what isn’t.

    One of the…[Read more]

    • I’d say both are insensitive and rude. The one about money though links to a huge historical stereotype about Jews that has resulted in all sorts of horrors. The Hartlepool one is just a reference to a transient absurd election and nothing more. I’d say the former a shows prejudice and is arguably anti-semitic, while the later is just crass.

      • No the Hartlepool on has been around all my life, and was reportedly from the Napoleonic wars.

        So is time an issue in determining, degree of offence (couldn’t think how better to phrase this).

        And while I agree, it’s prejudice (probably *), is all Jewish prejudice anti-Semitism?

        * I can see where this might still be prejudice but not…[Read more]

        • Was it not Hartlepool that elected a monkey? Didn’t know about the history. Maybe more similar then but I still think the Jewish thing is a “bigger” prejudice and has lead to serious results (I understand Hartlepool is dump but I don’t think that’s to do with monkeys).

          • They elected the football club mascot as mayor. The mascot is a man in a monkey suit called “Hangus”. This is because during the Napoleonic Wars a live monkey was washed on the shores of Hartlepool, captured then tried and hung as a French spy.

      • from the Jewish Voice UK

        “Today we’ve seen something new & very nasty. Non-Jewish people (mostly Tories) telling Jewish people (who support Corbyn) that they’re Anti-Semitic. In other words Non-Jews condemning Jews as Anti-Semites. What a horrible state Britain is in 2018”

        It was in relation to the protest and Ian Paisley MP, amongst others,…[Read more]

    • Considering Jewish history- yes it is offensive.

      I would watch Simon Schamas’ last programme on Civilisations about Art in the machine world to gain an understanding of why.

      You come across as a thoughtful person.To be honest I am even amazed you are asking the question.

      • I didn’t say it wasn’t offensive, I wanted to know if it was anti-Semitic.

        Assuming it might be, I don’t really know hence the question, what if the MP had said it himself?

        Is it offensive then? If it was anti-Semitic when someone else says it, is it still anti-Semitic when a Jew says it.

        Like I said, I have many example of my Jewish friends…[Read more]

        • I think the big issue with this sort of stuff is when it feeds into a culture that does real harm, or reinforces the idea that such a culture exists and is acceptable. So with the Hartlepool example I’d probably consider it to be harmless piss-taking among mates in Middlesborough, but totally unacceptable from, say, a posh tutor to a student at…[Read more]

          • I’d say it has to do with intent, at least for some instances. But in same vein, some people want to be offended, then obviously there’s the deliberate intention to abuse.

            One of my difficulties, is offence always anti-Semitic? Or is there still a place to be offend and not claim anti-Semitism.

            And of course your correct in the general usage of…[Read more]

    • I believe the protesters were calling the Labour party supporters anti-Semitic. One of the protesters was Ian Paisley, though I do believe there were other non-Jewish (I don’t tink Paisley is a Jew – I had to leave the spelling mistake in as it made me laugh – though probably stereotyping again!).

      Since some Labour party supporters are Jewish, we…[Read more]

    • I’m not the most sensitive man in the world, certainly not the most PC, but I would say the suggestion that the Jew on a team should automatically “handle the money” is anti Semitic, even if it was said as a joke.

      As for Hartlepool, well that’s a place, not a race.

      • What if it was a friend of his who said it?

        What if he’d said it?

        Is Judaism as race?

        • Judaism is (arguably) both a religion and a race but don’t worry about it.

          I think if there had never been any Jewish converts then the race bit would be pretty solid. But conversions have muddied the waters.

          For instance, because I’m not a Cohen, I don’t know how much (if any) of my long term ancestry goes back to Abraham and how much to…[Read more]

    • The MP’s story. Offensive, to some people yes. Ignorant, maybe. Anti-Semitic, again maybe.

      It all depends on context which includes the background etc of both the speaker and the recipient.

      What if there was a whole history of similar comments but two-way – then it might just be a continuation of some friendly banter.

      One good test of…[Read more]

    • I would not even dream of asking the question – to me it is obvious.

      I recommend you see the excellent docu film Denial with Timothy Spall playing the holocaust denier David Irving. Gets you thinking and might open your eyes a bit.

      • Sorry to labour the point, but what might be obvious to you isn’t to everyone, and I was trying to gauge someone else’s opinion, not what I thought they might think.

        Supposing something is obvious, doesn’t help someone who doesn’t know, does it?

        Quite often the obvious thing is what’s missing.

        Without knowing other people boundaries it’s…[Read more]

        • Well read up on the history of Germany before 1939 and how Hitler used such issues as portraying the Jews as bankers etc . Then figure out why it is so offensive.

          It is not difficult… in actual fact its so easy to find out and figure it out.

          Your a clever person…I am still amazed you are even asking about boundaries.

          Visit some…[Read more]

    • The personal offence taken or otherwise, is, to me a secondary consideration. Casual racism, anti-semitism, Christianphobea, etc is an enabler of greater evil.

      • That’s a good point. but it can also work the other way around, the word gay has now changed from being an insult to just a word now, so things can change. If everyone took offence to being called gay it would once again become an insult.

        But I think you have hit on something valid there, from my son’s (half cast) point of view, it’s the casual…[Read more]

        • I’d argue that in liberal western countries it’s not that the word gay has changed from being an insult so much as the fact that being gay is no longer seen as odd or shameful (However, that doesn’t make western society right).

          The example you gave of jokingly asking the Jew to look after the money is hideously offensive because the Nazis used…[Read more]

    • It subtly (or not) changes the environment so that “real” anti-Semitism is more acceptable!

    • So much is based on conditioned stereotypes. I wonder whether the western world’s view of Jews is still that they’re wealthy. Ask yourself (not just you) whether that’s part of your image.

      Sure, some Jews are wealthy, but not all (certainly not me), and there are many poor Jews as well.

      Just in case you or others don’t know, the rich Jew image…[Read more]

    • Racism has no doubt occurred for ever and everywhere, but in the European context is has centred on the Jews, partly no doubt because they have been the most obvious “others”. In a sense therefore, antisemitism is is “orginal sin” of racism. Hence the outrage at parts of the left being guilty of it and others overlooking it.

      The following is a…[Read more]

      • I’m aware of the persecution of Jews throughout history, admittedly I wasn’t aware of all the items in your list, but again I’m not sure I need to be.

        If you against racism in general then you really don’t need any historical background, indeed it could be said to people without the history, “well there’s no history of abuse, so why are you complaining?”

        • But the centuries-old conspiracy theories woven into anti-Semitism are what makes it more insidious than bog-standard racism. Racism against blacks or Asians tends towards what they *are* (savages, 3/5 of a human, smelly, whatever horrid minimisations people can come up with), whereas hatred against Jews is motivated significantly by anti-Semites’…[Read more]

  • @jamie You seem to be confusing all data that you could generate, with data that is available to all. Whilst some of your points may have a grain of truth in them, a lot is exaggeration based on tv and films.

    This is what GDPR is all about. If I give consent for my data to be used by company X for their service, they can’t sell it to company Y…[Read more]

  • @jamie Please enlighten me – and a few others in what data ‘they’ can gather that would result in a cancelled flight or a car insurance policy suddenly costing me twice enough?

    If my insurance company ups my insurance I simply look elsewhere – don’t you? As for the bit about flying – you’ve lost me there. Why would they?

    As I don’t have a…[Read more]

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 4 weeks ago

    > they can take it down if it’s giving them a bad name. Their sandpit and all that.

    Last time I looked, just after the verdict, the original video had been blocked or removed but several other people had uploaded copies of it that appear when you search for it. It could be that the original author had chosen to take it down but it seems more…[Read more]

  • Dave perry posted a new activity comment 2 months, 4 weeks ago

    I don’t think I’ve actually seen anybody suggest that being on the internet IS a major mitigating factor. The mitigating factor is that, if somebody actually watches the video with their brain engaged, it’s impossible to conclude that he endorses, approves of or encourages the gassing of Jews. I did watch the video after seeing the news stories…[Read more]

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