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  • A series of simple bands with small steps of x% from a to b, y% from b to c etc etc etc with x% < y% up to some limit z% that applies to c and above.

    To me that’s fair but I won’t argue it’s fair. Fair is just personal opinion.

    It means that if two people each earn an extra £50 the one who earns less never gets less of that £50 than the one who earns more.

  • joe posted a new activity comment 5 months, 1 week ago

    Doesn’t it come down to ‘net harm’ and ‘net benefit’ in the end, though? The cost of alcohol going very high in Norway may have resulted in more people brewing their own alcohol, and in people going over the border to get drunk, but overall it’s improved the health of the population.

    It’s not so fair, one might say, on the more responsible people, but any changes in society often seem to be broad brush when it comes to legislation. Smaller burgers and reduced sugar in things aren’t that much of an attack on one’s freedoms anyway really. 😉

  • joe replied to the topic Does acupuncture work? in the forum Health 6 months, 1 week ago

    Just had some this morning. Depending on the injury and the person doing the acupuncture, it can be very effective at aiding recovery.

    A few years ago I had some back and neck problems. The physio did what he had to do and then he suggested a bit of acupuncture. At the time I was very sceptical and thought it was all mumbo jumbo, but I had nothing to lose so I agreed. I noticed instantly that the acupuncture worked. It helped to break knots in my muscles that was helping to cause the pain.

    For me it was a lightbulb moment, and I now swear by acupuncture. I’ve even had an NHS physio perform ‘dry needling’. Its similar to acupuncture but has some western science to back it up. That too, worked.

    It all depends on the treatment, so your mileage may vary.

  • joe replied to the topic Non jobs in the forum General Chat 6 months, 2 weeks ago

    I left school at 16 (two weeks after my birthday as was allowed in those days). I became and ‘apprentice’ and the company moved me around inside the company until they found the niche I fitted into reasonably well. They then committed me to the rest of my training. I was paid a lower wage because of this, but did go to college and ultimately got a degree via part time study. It was not easy and involved me being committed to working hard for 4.5 days a week and studying 0.5 days and three evenings.

    These days at 15 children are pushed towards a degree, even if they are academically unsuitable, many of the degrees are useless, and the students are given false expectations as to what kind of job and salary to expect after their study! As a result very few want to take a low paid…[Read more]

  • joe replied to the topic how to cure muscle spasms in back? in the forum Health 7 months ago

    I have back problems and once had a MEGA-Spasm attack(so you really have my sympathy too.) Am headed to hospital this morning for another xray as a matter of fact. After doing the last split rail fencing at our place, my back went “out” before Xmas; nothing like the spasms but even with pain and anti inflammation relief, it’s remained “tender.” Will see about the alternatives when I get back into see surgeon. Great advice from everyone…cheers!

  • @oldman It depends how you define original thought. What about Deep Minds alpha go? It’s now better than any human. There latest iteration learnt from playing and it’s self in a fraction of the time the old algorithm learned from past game training data. Some of the experts it played say it had developed completely new strategies they had never seen before.

    Regarding consciousness, I used to think like this too. If you look at many breakthroughs in scientific fields, the actual algorithm was developed from a hunch or leap in understanding that was later proved in some way, often with maths. Can computers ever do this? I don’t think we even understand how we do it. Is consciousness required for this? What is consciousness, does it emerge or is it a separate thing? Without consc…[Read more]

  • what that amounts to is actually the possibility of a much greater range of creatures that we should allow as self-aware and perhaps that we should think of in some way a sentient.

  • Seems a bit presumptuous to think, it’s only man and apes that might be self-aware. How do we know what whales and dolphins can know or feel?

    I suggested that we were top of the spectrum of animals of which we we knew – self-aware and with a theory of mind which may also be evident in others at that end of the spectrum. At the lower edge I was allowing for self-awareness in a more “feeling” less “thinking” form and all stations in between. Below the bottom edge would be creatures with no internally generated “feeling” of their reaction to external stimuli or information.

    P.s I like how there is a quote button now on utterz makes things a lot better to read.

  • All the above being said there is the difficulty with “conscious” as opposed to “self-aware” which I prefer. At the top end of creatures we know of would be the primates and us, and I suspect that the spectrum of self-awareness begins with anything with an emotion response -perhaps that is blurry at the bottom but a learning brain that has developed any ability to conceptualise (not necessarily with any theory of mind) might begin to conceptualise what it has learnt from its ability to literally feel emption and then start associating that with a central cursor, “me”, the crosshairs against which emotion measures the effect of a new or remembered piece of information on that self.

    Fascinating stuff but yes I’m speculating